The escape of the enslaved Hebrews from Egypt is the foundational story of the jewish faith and identity, one that all jews are commanded to pass on from generation to generation. Also, it never happened. For decades now, most researchers have agreed that there is no evidence to suggest that the exodus narrative reflects a specific historical event. Rather, it is an origin myth for the jewish people that has been constructed, redacted, written and rewritten over centuries to include multiple layers of traditions, experiences and memories from a host of different sources and periods. For you were (not) slaves in Egypt: The ancient memories behind the Exodus myth Israeli archaeologist, Ze’ev Herzog of Tel Aviv University, set off a furore in Israel by writing in a popular magazine that stories of the patriarchs were myths and that neither the exodus nor Joshua’s conquests ever occurred. Herzog also argued that the united monarchy of David and Solomon, described as grand and glorious in the bible, was at best a small tribal kingdom. Israeli archaeologist Israel Finklestein of Tel Aviv University and archaeological journalist Neil Asher Silberman raised similar doubts and offered a new theory about the roots of the exodus story. The authors argue that the story was written during the time of King Josia of Judah in the 7th century BC - 600 years after the exodus supposedly occurred in 1250 BC - as a political manifesto to unite Israelites against the rival Egyptian empire as both states sought to expand their territory. Dever argued that the exodus story was produced for theological reasons: to give an origin and history to a people and distinguish them from others by claiming a divine destiny. After a century of excavations trying to prove the ancient accounts true, archaeologists say there is no conclusive evidence that the Israelites were ever in Egypt, were ever enslaved, ever wandered in the Sinai wilderness for 40 years or ever conquered the land of Canaan under Joshua’s leadership. To the contrary, the prevailing view is that most of Joshua’s fabled military campaigns never occurred. The truth is that virtually every modern archaeologist who has investigated the story of the exodus, with very few exceptions, agrees that the way the bible describes the exodus is not the way it happened, if it happened at all. Doubting the Story of Exodus Since the exodus did not occur, there is no judaism as judaism stands on two pillars — creation and exodus. Both fake; judaism no more survives the denial of the exodus than it does the denial of the creator. j
Ok, have it your way....."Confused it" Every mention of God in the Bible is Father, Son, Spirit - all in masculine form. But you have repeatedly referred to Him as she, her - in femanine form. Either you are gender dysphoric, or you are deliberately trolling a lie. So now you don't have any faith in the doctrine you preach. I don't blame you. I don't believe it either. VS. your bible that must remain fluid because of continuing exposure. You don't even believe your own scriptures that you preach from. You openly admit you have no faith in your doctrine. Deny your own books. And the only argument you seem to have against mine is what you can make up on the fly. Confused it, you're wack! And yet, here you are preaching your belief - that you repeatedly proclaim you have no faith in. Now you're just flat out lying. Atheism has centuries of written doctrine. It's all over the place. You even get your memes from it. Assemble all these together and you have..........a bible. If you could only improve your reading comprehension you'd see very plainly that I did answer that question. Adam was created on day 6 of the creation week. The word Neanderthal was made up only a couple hundred years ago. By your very own religion. In desperate need of a missing link for your monkeys to man theory. You made them brute, gorilla looking cavemen who marveled fire, wore skins, clubbed dinosaurs they didn't live with and dragged women by the hair. I also mentioned they were descendants from Noahs son Japheth who migrated from the tower of Babel. Dominant genes prevailed in harsh environments during the ice age. We know they are not extinct because we find genetic traces in humans now days. So far, Genesis chapter 10 stands correct. The reason your religion must remain fluid is because pesky Christians keep asking questions. Now y'all don't call them monkeys anymore while my Bible called them human since the beginning. You're running out monkey theories so now you must manufacture a new species - not quite monkey, but not quite man either. Easy to do in a fluid religion, I suppose. And you're here telling the world you believe that without any faith. Pffffttt! I asked you were Africans came from and how Africans got to Australia and you responded with "evolution theory" and changed the subject. See, you don't know, or don't even believe it yourself. It wouldn't surprise me if you come back with how the less evolved humans and kangaroos floated there on a collection of plastic trash.
I can prove I exist, you cannot prove god exists. The bible is not real, it's myth, there is no proof of god, there is no proof it is he, she or Eric the Magic Penguin, besides it annoys you misogynists who can only envision a patriarchal society. You are way too quick to assume, I guess that comes with your poor comprehension skills. Many Australians actually do know Aboriginal history which has been proven by DNA. Most of the genomes of Papuans and Aboriginal Australians can be traced back to a single ‘Out of Africa’ event. The migration reached Sahul, a prehistoric supercontinent composed of present-day Australia, Tasmania and New Guinea prior to their separation by rising sea levels. Aboriginal Australians became genetically isolated, making them the world’s oldest civilisation. The genetic diversity among Aboriginal Australians is amazing, the continent has been populated for such a long time, we find that groups from south-western Australia are genetically more different from north-eastern Australia, than, for example, Native Americans are from Siberians. DNA Study Finds Aboriginal Australians World’s Oldest Civilization Aboriginal history is over 10 times older than your bible's 6,000 year old earth. Many Americans don't even realise how big Aus. is as your maps are all distorted to make the US the centre of attention. j
Let's look at another myth, the 'jewish people'. Today, there is no such thing as ‘jewish people’ and jews are 'only' those that practise judaism. After scanning the complete old testament/tanakah (if any of it is actually true) for every verse with the word jew; a jew is one of two things and nothing else: 1) A jew is a descendant of Judah (which would eliminate the tribe of Benjamin, Levi and 9 other tribes) or 2) A jew is a citizen of the nation of Judah/someone who was loyal to the split kingdom of Judah; which would include the 3 tribes and all the other Arabs who lived in that land area. When that kingdom ceased to be a nation, then no-one was a Judaean/jew by nationality. The Benjamites and Levites as well as all the other Arabs ceased to be Jehudites/jews. A Jehudaite is a member of the nation of Judah. This would include all the non Israelites who lived in the Kingdom of Judah. Why was the nation called Judah? As you'd know, many places are named after famous people. Victoria, the state in Aus., is named after Queen Victoria, I would say very few, if any in the state at the time were even related let alone descendants of the queen. Same with your Washington State, how many in the state are descendants of George Washington? Just because the kingdom was called Judah, that did not mean the people living there were descendants of Judah; most of them did not come from Judah at all. This would include the tribes of Benjamin, Levi and Judah ... as well as all the goyim who lived in the kingdom of Judah. A nation of people is the combined people who live in that nation. When you say nation of ancient Israel or nation of Judah, it includes both Israelites and non-Israelites, a nation of a pot luck of Arabs. David lived so close to his non Israelite neighbour, he could lust his ol’ lady. The nation of ancient Israel had non Israelite armour bearers and non Israelite captains in their military. The kingdom of ancient Israel and kingdom of Judah were not nations of Israelites, they were nations of every Arab nation that lived in those kingdoms. As well as non Israelites in the Israelite military, the Israelites married the non Israelites around them. The word jew, meaning one of the 'kingdom of Judah' of course included a whole pot luck of non Israelites, Arabs, etc. The word jew is not a reference to the 12 tribes of ancient Israel either as 'jew' is a reference to descendants of Judah or citizens of the nation of Judah. No one can belong to a nationality when that nation no longer exists. Benjamites nor Levites can no longer be referred to jews no more than any living person today can be identified as a Trojan The 'only' thing that made Benjamites and Levites, Jehudites/jews was their nationality, it's like what made the people of South Carolina, Confederates; their split and loyalty to the break away nation. When the government of the divided kingdom lost their power to control that land area, the nation of Judah and every jew (by nationality) ceased to exist. When the kingdom of ancient Israel was divided, it extended over into what is now Jordan. The kingdom of Judah existed in the south. It was about 1/3 of the land area. The Hebrew text identifies who jews were... jew is just short for Jehudite and Jehudites were the people who were loyal to the southern split. This was the kingdom of Judah. The citizens were named after their kingdom (Jehudites/jews) and when the nation ceased to exist, the nationality ceased to exist. Jehudites/jews have not existed since the nation ceased to exist; jews no longer exist, they are no more than anyone today is a Spartan. The word jew no longer applies to any Benjamite or Levite. You may say because a jewish/Jehudite nation no longer exists; that does not change the fact that the descendants of Benjamin or Levi are still descendants of the Israelites? True and it does not change the fact that the Benjamites, Levites and tribe of Judah were nothing but a pot luck of Arabs in the first place - Benjamites, Levites, Tribe of Judah, take your pick ======================================== Who were the Jehudites/jews? NUMBERS 1:21 Reuben, were forty and six thousand and five hundred. NUMBERS 1:23 Simeon, were fifty and nine thousand and three hundred. NUMBERS 1:25 Gad, were forty and five thousand six hundred and fifty. NUMBERS 1:27 Judah, were threescore and fourteen thousand and six hundred. NUMBERS 1:29 Issachar, were fifty and four thousand and four hundred. NUMBERS 1:31 Zebulun, were fifty and seven thousand and four hundred. NUMBERS 1:33 Ephraim, were forty thousand and five hundred. NUMBERS 1:35 Manasseh, were thirty and two thousand and two hundred. NUMBERS 1:37 Benjamin, were thirty and five thousand and four hundred. NUMBERS 1:39 Dan, were threescore and two thousand and seven hundred. NUMBERS 1:41 Asher, were forty and one thousand and five hundred. NUMBERS 1:43 Naphtali, were fifty and three thousand and four hundred. NUMBERS 1:46 Even all they that were numbered were six hundred thousand and three thousand and five hundred and fifty. Let’s do the maths: 603055, total number of 11 tribes Levi not numbered... so let's use average 603055/11= 55095 average per tribe. 55095 X 12 = 661,140 Israelites (total) numbered males over 18 These 3 tribes were who the Jehudites were Judah 74600 Ben 35400 Levi (avg) 55095 ============== Nation of Judah 165095/661,140 = 25% 75% of the Israelites were never jews ... Jehudite = of the kingdom of Judah The word jew can mean one who joined a political group or if you wish jew can mean Jehudite or 'of the kingdom of Judah'. There is not now a kingdom of Judah and there has not been a kingdom of Judah for 2,300 years. Any definition you pick, No such thing as a jew has existed for 2,300 years. Those who became part of the nation of Judah were 3/12ths of the tribes meaning 75% of the tribes of ancient Israel were never jews. ======================================== THE ISRAELITES NEVER DROVE OUT THE REST OF THE ARABS II CHRONICLES 2:16 Solomon took a census of all the foreigners who were in the land of ancient Israel... and they were found to be one hundred fifty three thousand and six hundred. When Solomon took the census, he did not go into the Arab tribes (Philistines, Canaanites, Jebusites, Hivites, Hittites, Moabites, Midiaites, Parrizites) that were there before the Israelites crossed the Jordan river. The foreigners numbered by Solomon were those who escaped with them from Egypt. The Arabs who were already in Canaan far exceeded the 150,000 mentioned in 2 CHRONICLES. You can prove that by simply looking at the verses where they mention the battles and the numbers of Arabs they fought against. The foreigners that Solomon counted were those who migrated to Canaan with them from Egypt... then there were hundreds of thousands of Arabs already living in Canaan when the Israelites returned. When the Israelites left to go into Egypt, there were less than 50 Israelites in existence on earth. When they left Canaan, there were thousands of Arabs still living in Canaan. Those multiple Arab nations in Canaan were producing even 'more' descendants in the 490 years while the Israelites were in Egypt. When the Israelites crossed over the Jordan, they were far out numbered by the other Arabs already there and to boot, they brought 150,000 more Arabs with them from Egypt. This is only a small fraction of the verses showing the fact that the Israelites 'never' drove out all the Arab tribes that were there when they crossed the Jordan river. JOSHUA 15:63 As for the Jebusites the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the children of Judah could not drive them out; but the Jebusites dwell with the children of Judah at Jerusalem to this day. JUDGES 1:21 And the children of Benjamin did not drive out the Jebusites that inhabited Jerusalem; but the Jebusites dwell with the children of Benjamin in Jerusalem to this day. JUDGES 1:32 But the Asherites lived among the Canaanites, the inhabitants of the land: for they did not drive them out. JUDGES 1:19 And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron. JOSHUA 17:12 Yet the children of Manasseh could not drive out the inhabitants of those cities; but the Canaanites would dwell in that land. Not only did they live among all the other Arabs who were there before them, they also lived among over 150 thousand others they brought with them out of Egypt. The Israelites fought with them, traded with them, married them and produced children with them. ======================================== Jeudah, also spelt JUDEA, JEUDE, JEUDI, OR JUDAH, Hebrew YEHUDAH, the southernmost divisions of ancient Palestine; A kingdom or nation is composed of: 1) A specific land area 2) The rulers of that land/people and 3) The people who are ruled by those rulers You can compare the kingdom of Judah with the Confederate nation in America. It was forged out of a political feud, it separated for a period of time and then it was overthrown and ceased to exist. The word jew in the context of "Judaite" was the people of the nation of Judah. Jehudites/jews = the people who lived in the kingdom of Judah including the Hittites, Moabites, Midianites, Jebusites, Egyptians as well as all the people who were ruled by that kingdom. The members of the tribe of Benjamin or Levi were no more jews than any Cananites, Havites or Philistines who lived in that Empire/Kingdom. ESTHER 8:17 ... And many of the people of the land became jews; for the fear of the jews fell upon them. j
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And there you go again. Somebody agreed with it so it MUST be true. All of this has been proven wrong. But the important thing is that you feel really smart because you can cut and paste your google bible studies. Egyptian kings were elevated to a god like status. Each king wanted to be greater than his predecessor. Each dynasty had to try to out build and best the previous ones. They'd record all the positive history and omit the negative events. Historians have made attempts to fill in the gaps, but Egyptian historical timelines are a mess and don't match up. This leaves many digging in the wrong places looking in the wrong time frames. That's why you need to 'start' from the Bible and work out from there. Archeological finds reveals that Joseph was indeed in Egypt. That he was highly regarded as an officer in the reigning administration at the time. Artifacts from his house, including a multicolored coat matching the description of the one his father gave him, making his brothers jealous resulting in his being sold into slavery, ultimately ending up in Egypt. This garment does not resemble Egyptian style of the time period. The Sinai desert is 24,000 sq miles of nothing, and hasn't all been dug up yet. While we do find in the Bible a clear route Israelites traveled for 40 years, because there are names of places, we don't really know where they are because names have changed and been translated across languages over centuries. The Hebrews were slaves in Egypt for 400 years. That's a lot of generations to adapt to a new and different culture. Stands to reason they would have lost most of their own culture while incorporating the dominant surrounding culture. How much "Hebrew" culture would you honestly expect to find in Egypt under slave rule? But archeological evidence suggests these people left their dwellings abruptly, in haste. Not what you'd expect to find from slaves under the thumb of an ambitious king on a pedestal. Egyptian pyramids were made of baked bricks from mud and straw. The tower at Babel was believed to use these type of brick as recorded in Genesis. This technology would have migrated to Egypt with those skilled in brick making, building towers in pyramid style, etc. after the disbursement from Babel. This fits the Biblical account a lot better than just saying it never happened. Although Bedouins, Nomads are known to be archeologically invisible because they don't leave much behind, many ancient Nomadic type campsites have been found in the Sinai. So the fact that something has yet to be found and interpreted doesn't prove that it's not there. The old saying applies here - the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Just because physical evidence has not yet been found doesn't mean something didn't happen. Now, before you call this a cop out.... In my state, right here in this county, they are planning to convict someone of murder even though no dead body has been found. If convicted, this will be the second time right here in this courthouse a person has been convicted and sentenced for murder without a dead body. Habeas Corpus. So just because nobody has been able to physically dig up a dead body doesn't mean the event(s) in question never happened. The evidence stands up in court. There has been a lot of historical evidence supporting the Bible where years ago these things were believed to be non existent. Like the Hittites. Once thought to have never existed outside the Bible are now recorded secular history. A discovery in 20th century Turkey records the Hittites were at war with Egypt. And whaddya know, in Egypt was discovered a massive shrine and history of Ramesses II written all over the walls - the battle of Kadesh, they defeated the Hittites. Both armies give the amount number of soldiers, chariots, infantry, etc. that went into the battle that lasted into the next day. When Ramesses II went back to Egypt he had to declare a victory. But the evidence shows they ended up in a treaty due to a stand still. Neither actually wiped out the other. But at one time the only evidence for Hittites was in the Bible. The Tel Dan inscription-796 BC- discovered in 1993, King Hazael of Syria refers to the dynasty of King David. That's 300 years before the 'legend' of David was supposedly invented. There are mountains of this stuff available outside of googles direction. Archeology has NEVER proven the Bible wrong. And yet, the Bible has been used to find ancient civilizations. But google Bible studies won't direct you there.
Where have I ever said that? This is another one of your wacky assumptions. As for the exodus, if you had millions of people, let's say 8 abreast, the front of the line would be in the Sinai and the rear of the line still in Egypt. Add to that millions of people, each taking shits and pisses throughout the day over 40 years; the sewage would be so immense it would turn the desert fertile, let alone leaving behind no other evidence of such an exodus. Yes, according to the Merneptah Stele, it indicates a group called “Israel” were present in Canaan @ 1208 BCE. I have never denied this in any comment. Keep in mind however, Israelites were not jews (Jehudites were and they were a pot luck of Arabs that were not all practising jews - see above) and the stele contradicts the biblical account. The stele represents the group 'Israel' as foreign people, typically villagers or nomads, not city dwellers, not slaves - contradicting the biblical narrative. There is also no mention of any exodus or conquest of Canaan. You are correct in one thing, 'absence of evidence is not evidence of absence' but first you have to prove your claim to make it valid, the burden of proof lays on the person making the claim. Correct and note the word 'evidence', surely they're not going to convict the guy on unproven myth - even though that happens a lot and for some reason more-so to black people than white people. Yes of course, there are some places and 53 people in the bible (but not god, Abraham, Moses nor Jesus - funny that) have been proven to have existed, the bible stories don't correlate with the historical versions however. You simply cannot say myth with a few sprinklings of actual people and places makes it all real, especially after a lot of it has been proven not to have happened and what has been verified, didn't happen as per the way it's portrayed in the bible. Archaeologists agree the exodus story is myth, if you have some evidence you will be famous, so don't hide it from the world, we'd like to see it. Incorrect again! Atheists have existed for centuries - yes. However, you simply could not assemble a bible of atheist memes that all atheists could agree on. Here is why: There are many atheists that don't believe in the big bang There are many atheists that don't believe in evolution There are many atheists that don't have respect for the scientific method, vaccines, climate change, etc. However, there are also many atheists that believe in all the above. There are also religious atheists; Buddhists, Jainists and Satanists, just to name a few and as you would know, some of these atheists are more religious than theists. Some atheists believe in reincarnation, an after-life, a higher power other than god (nature, etc.) and there are many other issues that divide atheists into an infinite number of groups and sub-groups that all disagree with each other on every topic imaginable but one. How could it be possible to write an atheist bible that all the above-mentioned atheists (and more) could follow and agree upon? Of course if I did write an atheist bible this would be it: In the beginning, god does not exist. The end. j
Surely god would've told his people that the earth he created is a sphere, right? The people who wrote the myth and lied to you about the earth having corners also lied to you about there being a god. j
Flip flopping fluid religion. Exactly what one would expect from a google bible study. You can't just find a pigs tooth in the mud, build a man around it and call it evolution. Time and again. The more you say fiction, the more archeology finds, and the more they end up agreeing with the Bible in the long run. The walls of Jericho were supposedly made up, that is until they started from the Bible and found just what the Bible described. The people you say didn't exist, in the exodus from Egypt, their descendants left a wall on the temple mound that is still there today. Just ignore it and say it isn't so. Or better yet divert with more cut and paste bible studies with google. You think you're going to prove you exist because I can see you, but I can't prove God exists because you can't see Him. You fool! YOU ARE proof that God exists. But you think denying science makes you look smart. You think the world is going to be under water because I put gasoline in my car, but you refuse to accept evidence of a global flood in Noah's day. Notice from 120 years the date never got pushed back once. Not a once! Your church keeps insisting there must be somebody to talk to in outer space, and refuse to believe this planet is one of a kind. Where's your evidence of your made up space gods from their galactic worlds? You thought Planet Of The Apes was a documentary, till your popes had to agree we are one race who had to come from the first 'human' male and female parents. Some of your congregation haven't processed that change in doctrine yet, but they can't fight fluidity forever. Memes make you feel cute. Likely the same reason you post all those provocative selfies on FB. Well, I got productive stuff to do. You should read Isaiah while I'm gone. You will be surprised to find out 'four pillars' don't mean the earth is flat. Don't let google lead you to them flat earther websites.
The verses are very ambiguous for a purpose and just like every other believer when presented with an argument, you just make it up as you go along. When presented with another argument regarding the same verse, again you'll make it up as you go along and twist it to mean something else entirely; it's so convenient that the verses are presented in such riddles that don't make any sense; they can be manipulated to suit. One day you'll say it's literal, another day you'll say it's figurative, depending on the argument and how hard it is for you to weasel your way to an answer that satisfies yourself; in the hope your subterfuge will allay those who question your belief. It's very religiously fluid of you. It's 2021 and you're not fooling anyone! j
The stupidity of religion is evident: Buddhist monk chops off own head with guillotine for ‘good luck’ in next life Thammakorn Wangpreecha, 68, had reportedly been planning the bizarre ritual sacrifice for more than five years. The monk believed that making the offering to the deity Buddha would bring him good luck in the afterlife - a belief known in Buddhism as ‘making merit’. The monk allegedly used a makeshift guillotine next to a Buddhist god statue so that the religious figure would appear to be holding his head after it had been cut off. “He had been planning this for five years now. He fulfilled his goal and met enlightenment,” Yu, one of the monk’s followers, said. https://7news.com.au/news/world/bud...illotine-for-good-luck-in-next-life-c-2639701 He killed himself to impress a god that does not exist. j
These official documents have been authenticated by a panel of evolutionary scientist. Jaspurr 3:16 Seek and ye shall pull memes out of your ass.
Prozactly. Jesys invented by the Roman Flavians and based on Titus and and given the attributes of Moses. Caesar's Messiah by Joseph Atwill is a terrific book. Sent from my moto e6 using Grasscity Forum mobile app