The Politics of Climate Change...

Discussion in 'Politics' started by svedka, Jul 16, 2018.

  1. Yeah exactly. I mean in the US you do have companies that have legally been assigned personhood, this seems like something similar but from a conservationist slant.

    To my mind, we're fast running out of tools that can fend off big corporate gluttony and expansionism, especially in regards our natural resources. You can easily see a situation in a generation or two where 70/80% of the human population lives on top of each other in cities and the rest of the land is utilised for food growing and resource extraction. Vast swathes of biodiversity have been wiped out and any unique and novel fauna and flora that are left, are consigned to zoos and small "wildlife reserves". Depressing isn't it?

    So with this, a conversation that has been started in New Zealand and Ecuador, is being furthered. Curious what the conclusion will be and to see what kind of dynamics this sentiment brings to the realm of courts and law.
     
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  2. I never understood that. There’s still so much open land out there.

    I could never ever go back to the city. I work there and drive over an hour to work but when I pull down my dead-end road - that’s when the peace comes back.

    I never understood why people want to live in the cities like that. I understand some probably have to but there’s a lot of land out there for everyone.

    J
     
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  3. Yeah I feel unsettled in populated areas. Once you leave and get into solitude or nature, you can feel the calm palpably.

     
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  4. I’m honestly tired of my city job - but thats where the $$ is. damn 39 years now - and an hour and 15 minute drive each way to and then again from work daily, stressfull AF most days - but I’m not quite there yet.

    I friggin’ love it at home - out in the woods in central Maine. Got alot of room to roam. Theres alot of wildlife. We grow alot of good organic food - but I get scared of working too long.

    Few more years I guess.
     
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  5. Words are powerful. Back in the days I guess people didn't really have much else of a proprietary system for the relay of information except through the ears. Lately, words are spoken to us on the auditory, and visual side.

    Today my breakthrough happens, today I see that break in my job, today.

    FFT, if it's not today, it's today.
     
  6. What?
     
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  7. Such power.
     
  8. Huh?
     
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  9. Are you stroking out.
     
  10. Can't wait to get out of central FL it's getting to congested here. Selling a chunk of land i own then reinvesting in rentals until i can afford to buy myself a place in the mountains and hire a property management company to collect the rent. I already accepted on offer on the land, just waiting for the deal to go through.
    Really annoyed it didn't happen before i had to renew the lease with my apartment.

    My main reasoning for doing the real estate investing here is because of the no state income tax. i'm going to set up a company to do this with so the company would be based here, so even if i lived in another state they couldn't charge me state tax for money earned in FL lmao
     
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  11. He's in a weirder than usual mood today
     
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  12. #1072 ReturnFire333, Feb 28, 2021
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    If weird is all you get then power to you. Admittingly though I'm spent today. Onnnnn the flipside.

    Jerry actually did just stop replying to me though. Makes me think he actually passed out, I hope not. That would be a chance/connection gone badly astray. The iota that my communication negatively affected him is something to settle, joke/confusion gone awry. Ugh that's not a good thought to me.

    Clockin out wishin well.
     
  13. I'll all for eco-fascism. Let's round up all of the communists and socialists who want the government to be their lord and savior and exterminate them. Less scum will be great for the environment.
     
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  14. I'm straight up on edge in city centers. I tried moving to a big city after a job loss a few years ago and I lasted maybe 6 months before moving back home, I just couldn't do it. The traffic was my least favorite part, taking over an hour to drive like 5km because of grid lock every single day, no thanks!

     
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  15. That's not true.

    We're running out of land at an alarming rate as it continues to be turned over to farmland or other monoculture plantations in order to meet the demands of society. Either that, or the land that is open is relatively inhospitable.

    Yes, the Earth is astronomically big and lush, but humans are breeding like rabbits, as evidenced with the population quadrupling in 100 years, which is then compounded by humans nowadays using vastly more resources than 100 years ago.

    It seems to me that your misunderstanding of this highlights the privileged life you (and many of us in the West) live.
     
  16. If “privileged” is working my life away for absolutely everything my family and I have then so be it.

    j
     
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  17. And this IS true.

    Its all about choices about where one wants to live and what you are willing to do to make it happen.

    j
     
  18. Well it's contextual and multi-layered, isn't it. You've played that game of busting your balls for a living, trading your time for money, and although you may feel somewhat hard done by that, you have consequently been able to get several mortgages, nice property, healthy and educated kids, family home with good sanitation, and all the trappings that go along with that. So perhaps it's not as privileged as the trust fund kid who doesn't have to work a day in their life and has the luxury of time, but it's sure as shit a helluva a lot more privileged than a chai wallah in Bangladesh that spends all their days carting around a tea stall, making a living off of cups of tea that are fractions of a dollar (and it's important to be aware that it is slightly the majority of the world's population that live such lives).

    The choices are also relative, obviously. There's far too much nuance and institutionalised hierarchy all over the world to be able to say that one can live anywhere they like as long as they have enough will power to make it happen. It's also not really the angle I was coming from in terms of this, as I was looking at it from a lens of loss of wildlife habitat and biodiversity, to make way for increased urbanisation, food growing, and other monoculture practices to meet societies needs. This is the big issue here, not whether or not there is land available for someone to work towards owning. Because this loss of biodiversity and pristine habitat (I think down to around 35% globally compared to 90% in the 50s) continues to decrease our potentials of finding solutions to mitigate against human caused climate catastrophe, and other issues (such as medicines etc.).

    Ultimately, all of our choices are going to be impacted if we don't get a handle on the climate crisis and start to make personal and societal lifestyle changes.
     
  19. Oh I’ve no doubt about that. I guess I was more referring to life here in the US of A as that’s all I know. I haven’t been able w do much traveling outside of our borders besides Mexico and Canada.

    Looking at it from a worldwide perspective I’m sure US citizens have it much better than alot of tge world - not even in the same category of quality of life.

    j
     
  20. March 2021, Climate change still B.S.
     

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