Patenting something doesn't necessarily mean you are 100% behind the creation and originality of the piece at all. I personally wouldn't consider the Helix or Jet-Flash innovative as the port thing has been done before you. They didn't 'steal' your idea any more than you stole the idea; borrowed with creative license. That's how products are most often improved upon, and despite the low-quality of the Jet-Flash jumping in attacking it is very unprofessional and shows that you feel its okay for you to take on idea and improve upon them in some way, but not for others. While the Jet-Flash is very directly a copy, it does have enough differences to be considered a seperate product and it does have some improvements over your version, quality issues aside. Regarding the private message you sent me, thanks for the offer but no thanks. I've used the Helix before and just wasn't that impressed (and yes, I did use it correctly). Not so much unimpressed with the quality or aesthetics of it, I've just never been impressed by the so-called vortex type systems since its largely a placebo effect. I'd probably suspect their labor force as well. However to say the design was copied verbatim with no improvements simply isn't true. A removable downstem is an improvement, and the shape of the bubbler attachment can be seen as an improvement, but more importantly it's not verbatim. I'd compare your products both to soda; The Helix is Coca-Cola and the Jet-Flash is Pepsi. Both are similar, both have some strengths over the other, and I'd rather have water over both anyway. But the coke bottle is probably a good bit more durable.
oalwe we've had long discussions where you said you don't think it works, and showed blantant confusion of everything that makes the pipe work. You are the LAST person who should be arguing with the creator over intellectual property. According to you just not holding your finger on the carb works as well as the helix. You have NO CLUE what you are talking about. You don't even understand the design, much less being capable of saying whether he invented it or not.
I've had more conversation with him behind-the-scenes as well. As I've already demonstrated before, I know much more about how this thing functions than you do. You just know the words you've been told. If I've no place in this conversation (which I certainly do; there are no restrictions on being critical of a product) then you've certainly no place in it as someone who makes blanket statements then leaves the conversation in an attempt to save face value. Incorrect. According to me you can approximate the same cooling by throttling your carb (which causes velocity fluctuations) that the air ports provide. That is a criticism of the high-emphasis on the 'vortex' itself. The fluctuations of chamber size are more responsible for the cooling than the vortex, and the vortexs 'cooling' as Ive said before is misleading because its cutting air into the smoke. Its cooling the smoke by proxy of bringing cool air in, whereas the other mechanic of the pipes main chamber is cooling the smoke directly via those velocity fluctuations. You're welcome to pick up the conversation where we left off in the last thread, hun, when you ran out of things to say.
I'm confused. If you had/have a patent or even a patent pending, then how were the Jet Flash people legally able to distribute their product in the US? By the way, those Salt collabs look SICK. Regardless, I hope the OP enjoys what he got. I'm sure he'll keep the Helix in mind if the Jet Flash breaks or sucks. Now where's that milk vid
No, I think you made a fool of yourself enough on that thread already. You are welcome to think you won the debate, but unfortunately for you that is decided by the people who read it, not your own personal opinion. Nobody who read what you said, thought you understood what you are talking about.
I'm sorry, I'm not able to speak for others but you are? Sure thing, bud. You're a couple screws loose at times.
Yeah I'm positive. I got several likes as well as karma from that thread, you received none but did get a few laughs. You mentioned in the thread how many likes you got, but apparently they didn't show up in the thread. You and your incessant need to be right is where the loose screws are. If you feel like saying I have a screw loose will further your argument, you are welcome to it, but again that is determined by what people read, not your personal opinion.
I didn't? Pretty sure I got a lot. But likes aren't at all important, and any mention of them I made was more of the for the record type. I've backed up my claims. I'm still waiting on you to do the same. You get extremely defensive and hostile when the knowledge you claim to have is asked for. Boxfan wanted to know why I had such a bite to chew with his product, and you may partially be the reason for that at this point, though thats not to say that I find the vortex effect to be any more useful. You're just overall very immature. And maybe I am at times too, but at least I can recognize that. You don't seem to have that luxury.
No actually I re-read the thread and counted while I did so. I got half a dozen, and you got 1. And it wasn't from your horribly confused explanations. It was because you said it was overpriced. Perhaps 1 is a lot? The claims you backed up were obviously nonsense and are there for anyone to read. Truly comical some of the stuff you said. I've said what I have to say and its there for anyone to read both your explanation and mine. I'm fine with standing by that. I agree that me proving you wrong is the backbone of your vitriol with the helix pipe, but that has nothing to do with my maturity, and everything to do with yours. You refuse to be wrong, and are more content saying ridiculous things and looking foolish than just saying you don't know what you are talking about. Now again, I'm done arguing with you and you may continue.
That was not the only thread in question, nor are likes at all relevant, it just means there are likeminded people reading. One persons 'like' may not mean half of what anothers. Yes doll, an interactive diagram to illustrate how the Bernoulli Principle works (and why the attribute you were calling the BP wasnt actually it) is obviously 'nonsense' from your perspective. Your 'explanation' was on another website and you didn't want to repost it here because 'we wouldn't get it'. Clearly that's open. Pot, kettle. Lastword-ing again? That's the maturity I'm talking about! Go get 'em.
I personally find the full length downstem to be clumsy and prone to breakage. The pistol grip is cool(wish I would thought of it), but the thinness of the glass and high profile of the 14/23 female make it weak and hard to see your goodies. I will attach a pic of an E. Ross collab that I did with a dewar seal, teardrop bowl and snorkel that solves those inadequacies. "Fingering" the carb provides very crude, uneven velocity fluctuations that do not promote even fluid flow. The Helix chamber functions as a true carburetor, mixing an approximate 70/30 mix of smoke and ambient air, thus cooling the smoke. The smoke/air combination mixes in the top end of the chamber, then recondenses as it travels through the venturi into the taper, less pressure + higher velocity= smooth hit that blows the back of your head off. From Wiki: Out patent is in its 3rd and final review, but is an American patent. Could not afford an international patent. Guess that's big biz! Thanks for the props. That was a long night with Salt. He's a beast. Very true. Cheesy bud, I shouldn't have directed my hostility towards you. I do hope your JF works good for you. My apologies. I am not going to bother our web guy, no offense. I said good morning to ya! Please check my facebook...Boxfans facebook Thanks for the feedback and taking the time to read this incredibly long reply. Without our yall, I wouldn't be blowing glass!
That's correct. Keep in mind I said doing so approximates the cooling provided by the vortex-mechanism though, not the combined effect of the vortex and the body shape. As I said in the PM I think you guys often attribute a lot more of the cooling to the vortex part of the design than is actually attributable to it. Which is understandable given its very obvious when someone is using it and the vortex will be the first thing most people notice about the body. But the tapering from wide to small is equally responsible for the cooling the Helix is able to provide.
There is no "vortex" part of the design. The vortex is a by product the angle of the 3 air injectors on the upper portion of the venturi chamber, which are combined to perform like a true carburetor, "mixing down" the fluid stream. The taper has ZERO to do with cooling the smoke. The taper performs the function of recondensing the smoke/air mix into a high velocity fluid stream. Oalwe, here is some reading material you might brush up on before you continue trying to tell me how my design works. I am on this forum now and am perfectly capable of explaining the helix design. Thanks for holding it down... Venturi effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Bernoulli's principle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Carburetor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Injector - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
