Comrades, we have heard a lot about Antifa over the past couple of months. All sorts of garbage has been spewed by the Alt-right and Trump fanatics in a bid to take the focus off of the Nazi scum that have pledged allegiance to Trump. Now don't get me wrong, the vast majority of Conservatives/Trump supporters/Republicans are not Nazis/white supremacists but there is a very vocal minority who are and this has led to the rise of Antifa in the US to fight this very dangerous threat to everyone's freedom. I would ask that we not fall for the hype and look a little further into Antifa and those who have stood up to the swatsika waving scourge that is plaguing the US. Rev. Seth Wispelwey I am a pastor in Charlottesville, and antifa saved my life twice on Saturday. Rev. Seth Wispelwey: "I am a pastor in Charlottesville, and antifa saved my life twice on Saturday." Rabbi Rachel Schmelkin “There was a group of antifa defending First United Methodist Church right outside in their parking lot, and at one point the white supremacists came by and antifa chased them off with sticks,” Charlottesville says it provided protection to synagogue, refuting initial account Antifa (United States) - Wikipedia Antifaschistische Aktion - Wikipedia
The links to George Soros are tenuous at best. Claims that an organisation he funded then funded another organisation who funded an organisation who had a website that called for people to come out and protest are really stretching it unless I'm missing something?
Browsing through some of the names dropped in these threads, I realize there's quite a few rock stars in the world of the Alt Right, with lots of devoted followers.. Many are charismatic, good looking and smart and you can imagine the outrage when these stars get protested off college campuses. That anger and frustration needs an outlet, Voila, Antifa becomes an instant threat to humanity.
Would you care to be more specific? I'm not sure you are aware just how loosely the alt right label is used these days. Anything from Sean Hannity to Adolf Hitler is considered "alt right" these days if you ask the right people. If you have specific names in mind, what makes them alt right to you and are their political views then automatically void because you chose to apply the label?
Back in 2003 .. I could have sworn that it was the liberals who were shouting that George Soros was evil, that Bush did 9/11 ... that globalization is evil ... that X Is Taking Our Jawbs... etc. Now it's all of the sudden like, the right and the left have swapped sides. Poor people support Trump, rich people support Hillary and the democrats. Here in my country most people I have spoken to actually think that Trump is a socialist!
This is factually wrong. You have an imagined version of recent America, where actual Nazis took to the street, repeatedly beating up citizenry and burning the land. Then, as magical heroes, Antifa rose to fight this giant threat. This is simply not what happened and is not what is happening currently. Antifa has repeatedly attacked people in the street well before Charlottesville. Generally regular right wing citizens who dared vote for Trump. Since, Trump = Adolf according to the media. Only right wing speakers consistently have to have massive security employed in order to speak on college campuses across the nation because of Antifa-type violence. UC system will chip in at least $300,000 to help Berkeley pay security costs for controversial speakers There is no equivalent on the other side, where Sally Kohn, for example, has to worry about getting assaulted by Nazis in the parking lot every time she wants to visit a campus. Pretty clear who's attacking people in the streets these days.
Why don't you talk about the negatives? Like when they hit people over the head with bike locks? Or when they beat up a father and son? Or how about starting fights with BLM members in Dallas. Or destroying property. These aren't just NAZIs they're fighting Even The mayor of Berkeley, ground zero of the Alt-Left, wants them labeled as a street gang.
FUCK ANTIFA, Just a group of lost souls that are probably failing at school. Maybe President Trump can get them a job after play time.
Hence the thread where Antifa can be discussed. It was a sideshow in other threads that needed a thread of it's own rather than poisoning others. There's two sides to every story. There are bad eggs involved for sure but with all the hysteria it's hard to tell fact from fiction. That said there's no reason for attacking innocent bystanders that can be justified. That's just thuggery.
ANTIFA are nothing more than masked thugs who assault anyone who have the nerve to exercise their 1st amendment rights (and universal right to freedom of speech and association for those outside of the US). Anyone who physically attacks people because of some words they say are no friends of freedom and liberty.
Antifa are a reaction to what is happening in the US. They've been around for a few decades but have only really come to the surface in the last while. That is what I mean by they rose up. It could also be argued that the Alt-right/KKK/White Supremacists have been emboldened by seeing their man cross the line and their recent torch lit, swastika waving hate fest's are a reaction. When groups like the KKK and Alt-right come out to play there will always be those that will oppose them. That is why Antifa are in the news of late. Do you lay any blame at the feet of the Alt-right/KKK/White Supremacists for provoking a violent reaction by marching with lit torches, waving swastikas and spouting bigotry?
. You are once again mistaking the chain of events and presence of groups. Your origination point seems always to be: Antifa rose up, because of KKK/Nazi activity. This is, as usual, false, since Antifa started repeatedly beating up citizens in the streets without any increase in Nazi/KKK activity in the US. Both of those groups have been long condemned out of the American mainstream, and it is only left wing propaganda that keeps blowing them up out of proportion over and over. You yourself just equated Trump winning with KKK winning and being "emboldened". As far as Charlottesville goes, pretty much everyone semi-sane in the US thought the torch-march was weird. No one of import was ever on board with that and the few citizens who are, are a tiny minority. I can't think of a single major outlet that published any articles or reports that reflected it in a positive light. This makes sense, since once again: The majority of America is not like that. Those who decided to commit violence because they disagreed with a peaceful protest are not excused. Can you explain why only right wing speakers have to have hundreds of thousands of $$ in security fees posted, so that they can speak at universities? If your threat of Nazis in the USA is half as real as you claim, from Ireland, shouldn't left wing speakers also be getting attacked, even more so?
Its easy to figure out why the Alt Right has to have security fees.They attract hate, and bigotry, and normal people are not going to accept it, and will fight it until the last person. People need to run these people out of the country. Anyone who goes to, and supports these people should be put on TV, and let all their employers know what theyre up to. Employers will drop these people like rags, and they will have No Way to Support Themselves. Let them Eat Cake. I have 0 sympathy for them, and will make life as hard as possible on anyone I know, or who supports these people. You have free speech, but you are not free from the repercussions your speech brings to you Germany didn't stand up to Hitler, it aint happenin again.
ANTIFA MEMBERS MUG SHOTS, WITH BAD ENDINGS. Portland.. They look like they are one razor blade away from looking like Nazi's BERKELY ANTIFA NAZI MUG SHOTS.. THIS WILL BE THE NEXT BOOT UP THE ASS NEXT NOVEMBER FOR THE DEMOCRATS. Keep up the good work.
The whole world is connected these days my friend, it is not that difficult to see what is happening. The likes of Milo/Ben and other right wing entertainers draw it on themselves with their baiting and theatrics. Every action brings a reaction.
You CANT tell a book by its cover. Looks have 0 to do with anything. I would Never judge someone by how they look. Only What They Do. Actions speak louder that words, or looks. You are What You Do, and Represent. Also instead of NAZI, they should really be called Facist. I spent almost 8 years in Federal Prison, and LIVED with these guys. 1 of them was my cellie. He supplied the Gasoline, Wood for the burning of an upsidedown cross in a biracial couples yard. He got 8 years for a Hate Crime I beat the fuckers ass, and told everyone in the unit he was a Racist, and I told all the black guys what he did. Glad to say he got moved from the prison. I had many many MORE black friends in prison after that.
Which speakers are you talking about specifically? I know it's fun to just screech Nazi, but can you point to some actual Naziism being violently protested? Last time I checked Shapiro was a Jew and Yiannopolous a black cawK worshiper. Why do they have to have massive security to speak? Sounds like you may have bought into the whole "Vote Clinton or you're a Nazi" joke. I hear the kids like it a lot these days. Not sure what point you are trying to make. What have they done that excuses violence against them? I know you're ok with ignoring the 1st amendment, but which of their views specifically are you attempting to say call for violence to be done against them?